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Media release: National award for local law firm

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Toukley and Erina based law firm, Ryan & Seton Lawyers, took out the 2019 Regional/Suburban Law Firm of the Year category at the prestigious Lawyers Weekly Australian Law Awards last Friday at The Star, Sydney. Nominated as finalists in this category for the second year running, the firm won this year against nine other finalists from around the nation.

Hosted in partnership with UNSW Law, the Australian Law Awards is the pinnacle awards program for the nation’s legal profession. Now in its 19th year, the awards recognise brilliance at the bar, legal in-house powerhouses, innovators and various firm-led pro bono programs. The Regional/Suburban Law Firm of the Year award recognises outstanding performance by a law firm operating in regional, remote or suburban Australia.

“We are thrilled and humbled beyond belief to have won this award,” said solicitor director, Michael Seton. “All the credit must go to our incredible team. This is due recognition for the care, attention to detail and quality of legal solutions they provide day in, day out. We are also proud to be flying the flag for all firms and businesses on the Central Coast that continue to build on the region’s reputation for outstanding professional services.”

Since taking over the existing Toukley practice owned by Tony Ryan’s father, John, in October 2013, the firm has delivered on their motto of ‘Strength & Flexibility’; strength in representation and flexibility in their approach.

Genuinely passionate about law and helping people, Michael Seton and Tony Ryan are the youngest directors of all law firms on the Central Coast and lead a dynamic, progressive team with an average age of 29 that has more than doubled in size from eight to seventeen in the past three years. The firm is also committed to giving back. In the past twelve months they have conducted a number of pro bono family law property matters for local victims of domestic violence and provided initial pro bono advice to other clients who were also victims of domestic violence. This is in addition to the firm’s commitment to volunteering with, and sponsoring, a range of community organisations and initiatives.

This latest accolade adds to Ryan & Seton Lawyers’ growing swag of award wins. It is their first national award. They are currently finalists for Outstanding Professional Services while Michael Seton is a finalist for Outstanding Business Person of the Year at the upcoming Central Coast Local Business Awards.

Medieval Justice System – To place one’s fate between a worm and a piece of cheese

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A recent post on the QI Facebook page led the writer to a study of tyromancy – the medieval practice of divination from cheese.

The practice involved a tyromancer (a practitioner of tyromancy, of course) observing the coagulation of a piece of cheese and interpreting the patterns and characteristics. The shapes, patterns and holes were used to predict the future and determine the past.

Tyromancy was also used in the judicial system to determine guilt. Pieces of cheese were placed in an area with several worms. A tyromancer interpreted each piece of cheese as a different potential scenario. The piece of cheese to which the worms were attracted represented the correct fact scenario or guilty person. If the worms did not approach any piece of cheese then none of the defendants were guilty.

I camembert (cannot bare) the thought of being tried by a piece of cheese.

The above is not intended as legal advice. You should obtain legal advice in relation to your own specific circumstances.

Child restraints in motor vehicles

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We often deal with issues involving children’s car seats. Not so much with infringements and the ensuing fines and demerit points, but more often as a contentious issue in an adversarial parenting matter.

It is important to comply with national child restraint laws. Primarily, for the safety of the child. Secondarily, and for people involved in parenting disputes, to reduce areas of agitation.

It is not unusual that during a parenting ‘changeover’ – where one parent delivers the child(ren) to the other parent – parents become combative and disagreements metastasise. Time with one parent may be suspended if they can’t safely and legally transport the child.

It is important to know what the restraint requirements are and to ensure you are following them. Transport for New South Wales catalogues the national child restraint laws as follows:

  • children up to the age of six months must be secured in an approved rearward facing restraint;
  • children aged from six months old but under four years old must be secured in either a rear or forward facing approved child restraint with an inbuilt harness;
  • children under four years old cannot travel in the front seat of a vehicle with two or more rows;
  • children aged from four years old but under seven years old must be secured in a forward facing approved child restraint with an inbuilt harness or an approved booster seat;
  • children aged from four years old but under seven years old cannot travel in the front seat of a vehicle with two or more rows, unless all other back seats are occupied by children younger than seven years in an approved child restraint or booster seat;
  • children aged from seven years old but under 16 years old who are too small to be restrained by a seatbelt properly adjusted and fastened are strongly recommended to use an approved booster seat; and
  • children in booster seats must be restrained by a suitable lap and sash type approved seatbelt that is properly adjusted and fastened, or by a suitable approved child safety harness that is properly adjusted and fastened.

The above is subject to change pursuant to the child’s size but is a good gauge.

Complying with the national child restraint laws promotes the child’s safety and, even if it doesn’t wholly extinguish an area of dispute, it ensures that you’re not the one at fault.

The above is not intended as legal advice. You should obtain legal advice in relation to your own specific circumstances.

Should I give a police interview?

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If the police ask you to participate in an interview, you can decline. Client’s often ask whether they should do so. We will address some of the considerations in this article.

Right to silence

You have a right to remain silent and, for the most part, this cannot be held against you. However, you should be mindful of the following:

  • in many circumstances, if a police officer asks your name and address you are obliged to tell them; and
  • if you’re questioned in relation to a serious indictable offence (punishable by gaol for five years or more) and you provide a defence later that you could have raised at an earlier opportunity, the court may doubt the veracity of this belated defence.

ERISP

If the police suspect you have been party to a crime, they will likely arrest you and/or ask you to take part in a recorded interview – an ERISP. ERISP stands for Electronic Record of Interview with Suspected Person.

If you are asked by police if you wish to participate in an interview or “answer a couple of questions” – and you do not want to – simply say words to the effect of “I don’t wish to be interviewed,” or “I don’t wish to answer any questions.”

Legislative basis

Section 89 of the Evidence Act 1995 (NSW) (Act) states that, in criminal proceedings, a judge cannot make a negative inference – in relation to the suspect’s guilt or credibility – from their silence.

However, section 89A of the Act, as briefly touched upon above, states that if:

  • the charge is a serious indictable offence (punishable by gaol for five years or more);
  • you have a defence you should be able to recall;
  • you choose not to tell this to the authorities when given the opportunity; but
  • choose to rely on it later,

the judge or jury may doubt the credibility (of both the defence and the accused) and hold the accused’s silence against them.

Importantly, there are some protections so that you can’t be ‘caught out’ by section 89A. You must be given a special caution that the investigation is about a serious indictable offence in the presence of your solicitor. You must also be given the opportunity to receive legal advice from your solicitor away from the interviewing, or any other, officer.

Position at common law

The High Court of Australia says that the right to silence it is not merely a rule of evidence, but a basic and substantive common law right (see Reid v Howard (1995) 184 CLR 1).

Why it exists

This right has been provided as a protective balance against the significant resources available to police to investigate charges against an accused person.

Not compelling an unwilling witness to speak is thought to:

  • fortify the presumption of innocence;
  • ensure the burden of proof remains on the State;
  • prevent authorities from coaxing or cajoling an interviewee to give information the authorities want; and
  • reduce the rates of false confessions and other false evidence which is later found, at great expense, to be erroneous.

Myths

We have heard some interesting stories of things that have been told to clients prior to them participating in an interview.

One of our favourites is that it is seen as being cooperative and that is relevant to any bail application. Nonsense. Utter garbage. Whether a defendant participated in an ERISP has no bearing whatsoever on a bail application.

Be mindful of what you hear or what you are told. Always seek legal advice.

Conclusion

In closing, you do not have to speak to authorities if you do not want to and, in the majority of circumstances, it cannot be held against you in any way. The risk if you do give an interview is that an answer you give can be used as evidence against you in court – which may provide the prosecution with additional evidence that they would not have otherwise had.

We recommend in the strongest terms possible that you first obtain legal advice before deciding whether to give an interview to the police.

The above is not intended as legal advice. You should obtain legal advice in relation to your own specific circumstances.

When parents disagree – Is vaccination in a child’s best interests?

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Immunisation rates in Australia are falling. Some parents want their children vaccinated. Others do not. When parents separate, the Family Court can be asked to decide whether vaccination is in a child’s best interests.

In the courtroom context, parents opposed to vaccination argue that it will have harmful or adverse impacts on their children or that vaccination will aggravate a pre-existing medical condition. They choose to not vaccinate amidst reported concerns about the safety of vaccines and the possible side effects. (We must stress at this juncture that we do not propose to weigh into the debate about the validity or otherwise of research that purports to have found causative links between vaccinations and certain conditions.)

Parents in support of vaccination argue that disease will flourish if children are not vaccinated or that children will miss out on social or sporting activities and opportunities. Often the effect the unvaccinated child could have on new siblings is what brings about the cause for dispute. One parent may also be concerned about losing government benefits if the child is not fully vaccinated.

The debate can become emotionally charged. There is no middle ground. Neither parent will be satisfied with an outcome whereby the child receives, say, half the jabs on the immunisation schedule.

How does the Family Court address this contentious debate?

It will review the evidence from both parties, medical professionals and court appointed experts, and decide whether a particular vaccination is in a child’s best interests.

The Court may also consider the children’s views, where they can be clearly expressed free from undue influence. A child may experience unhappiness if excluded from an extracurricular activity because he or she has not been vaccinated.

While the Court has favoured the view that vaccination is generally in a child’s best interests, it is not bound to this position in every case. For example, the Court may consider the child’s present medical condition, the type of vaccination proposed and cultural concerns.

The above is not intended as legal advice. You should obtain legal advice in relation to your own specific circumstances.

Family Law to move faster – allegedly

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The biggest change to the Family Law system since the creation of its current form in 1975 is about to be made. Faster and better outcomes are to be delivered. The Family Court of Australia will be merged with the Federal Circuit Court. A single entry point for all family law matters will be created.

The Federal Circuit and Family Court of Australia will arrive on 1 January 2019. The new, larger court has been designed to reduce the complexity, delay and cost.

The Attorney-General believes that the new system will deal with an additional 8,000 cases per year. That means that at least 16,000 litigants will have their matters finalised every year. Many more thousands of children will have certainty. This is what we are being told, at least.

Chronic underfunding, failure to replace retiring judges and a lack of legal aid have all but crippled the system. Delays in the Court system have increased over the last 10 years despite the number of applications remaining roughly the same.

The Law Council of Australia will work with the legal profession, the Court and the Australian Government to ensure that the implementation is successful. Interestingly, consultation with the biggest users of the Court system – the legal profession – is to occur after the announcement rather than before the government made and announced the decision.

The Australian Law Reform Commission will soon release draft legislation and further details on how the amalgamation will be carried out.

The Attorney-General has said that, “the sooner matters are resolved and families can put the difficult time of separation, divorce and the end of a relationship behind them, the better for them and particularly the better for the kids.”

We are optimistic. However, we know that interacting with the Federal Circuit and Family Court of Australia will be challenging in the first few years of its operation. Forms, rules and procedures will all change. Judges will change. The path for existing matters in the Courts will change.

If you are separating, or planning to separate over the next few years, talk to one of our family lawyers today to make sure that you know how these changes will affect you.

The above is not intended as legal advice. You should obtain legal advice in relation to your own specific circumstances.

Legal Professional Privilege – What your lawyer can and can’t reveal

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What is privilege?

The basic concept of legal professional privilege (also known as client legal privilege) is that people can communicate with their lawyer, in a candid and thorough manner, and the lawyer will keep this information secret.

In a criminal setting, privilege will usually be claimed over oral communication between a defendant and their lawyer. In civil matters (family law, contract disputes, torts (suing someone), etc), privilege will likely be claimed over certain documents.

The writer’s view on privilege is:

  • there are two people you should always be completely honest with – your doctor and your lawyer;
  • being entirely honest with your lawyer is the best starting point for comprehensive and frank advice;
  • a sure-fire way to scuttle your own case is to trip your lawyer up in open court with an admission or revelation not previously disclosed; and
  • if the lawyer forms a view they can’t represent you with the information you’ve given them, they should advise you to see another lawyer.

You should know:

  • the lawyer (unless you authorise them or are about to commit a crime) cannot pass this information on;
  • you, however, can pass this information on to whoever you like. You may lose your right to keep this information privileged, but you can pass it on. It is the lawyer who must not disclose the information; and
  • the lawyer can’t lie for you. The lawyer can still defend you and must still keep what you have told them confidential, but their duty to the court prevents them from saying or leading something they know to be false.

Warning: The remainder of this blog is aimed at the curious amongst you. Those who want to know the origins of privilege, the current day position and an example of its application. If that’s not for you, you’re welcome to stop reading now. For those remaining, we will now talk nerdy to you…

Where did it come from?

It is suggested that the concept of privilege as we know it today is rooted in Roman custom. Except for the most serious offences, a servant was not compelled to testify against their master as the construct of the ‘household’ was considered more important than having all information necessary to adjudicate litigated disputes.

Partly in order to foster public faith in the judicial system that developed in the last millennium, concepts of judicial rights evolved – including the presumption of innocence, being judged by a jury of one’s peers and, importantly, access to legal advice. Any impediment that prevents or discourages the defendant from fully disclosing their side of events to their lawyer would render this access to legal advice largely redundant.

The first recorded case involving Privilege dates back to the 16th century.

The locus classicus of English cases on Privilege arguably belongs to Lord Brougham in the 1833 case of Greenough v Gaskell (1833) ER 39 where, at 621, his Lordship said:

“It is out of regard to the interests of justice, which cannot go on without the aid of men skilled in jurisprudence, in the practice of the courts, and in the matters affecting rights and obligations which form the subject of all judicial proceedings. If a privilege did not exist at all, everyone would be thrown on his own legal resources. Deprived of all professional assistance, a man would not venture to consult any skilful person, or would only dare to tell his counsellor half of his case.”

Legislative source

The NSW source of legislated privilege is found in sections 118 and 119 of the Evidence Act 1995 (NSW).  The law states that information you give your lawyer for the purpose of obtaining legal advice or relating to proceedings is privileged.

How and when the client loses privilege

It is important to note that the privilege is attached to the client and not the lawyer. The client can pass on this information to whomever they choose. It is the lawyer that needs to keep it confidential.

When a client intentionally discloses a privileged communication, the privilege for this piece of communiqué has been ‘expressly’ waived. A common example of this would be written correspondence, a statement or Affidavit the client instructs their lawyer to send to the other side, police or file with the court.

However, clients can also ‘impliedly’ waive privilege if they do something inconsistent with the confidentiality otherwise contained in the communication. Put simply – if you chose to disclose part of, or something relevant to, certain information, the option for you to claim privilege on that document or communication may be lost.

Also, if you tell your lawyer you are about to commit a crime, the lawyer must obviously report this.

A somewhat gaudy example

“I did it. I killed him. I want you to get me off the hook.”

A lawyer’s paramount duty is to the court and the administration of justice. They cannot lie to the court in defence of their client.

However, in the above instance, a lawyer could still defend the admittedly guilty party should they choose to do so. The lawyer could challenge the evidence against the defendant but could not say or put forward anything they know to be untrue based on the confession. One example of what the lawyer could do would be to strongly cross examine a witness about any inconsistencies in their version of events. This may be enough to cast reasonable doubt on the case. A lawyer could not, however, put forward an alibi for the defendant they know to be untrue.

Conclusion

The prevailing jurisprudential view is that open and comprehensive disclosure between client and lawyer is essential for the State to administer justice, so it should be protected. We agree. Tell your lawyer everything.

The above is not intended as legal advice. You should obtain legal advice in relation to your own specific circumstances.

Your Responsibilities As A Director Of A Small Family Company

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It is a common arrangement in small family companies for both spouses to be directors. It is also common within these companies for one of the spouses to be responsible for managing the company, and the other to be responsible for the more mundane duties, or not involved in any way at all.

Regardless of the work that the director actually does, his or her duties and obligations are the same. This issue sometimes arises in the context of family law proceedings.

Directors are responsible for ensuring, among many other things, that the company tax returns are completed accurately and honestly each year. If a company does not pay tax, for whatever reason, there are significant financial penalties. If the parties later separate, the penalties will likely need to be paid as part of a property settlement. It is very, very difficult to argue otherwise, especially where the asset pool is modest. The director who, for example, took care of the children and the household and assumed that the tax would have been done properly can rarely argue that the director effectively running the company, who met with the accountant and told the accountant not to file the tax return, should be liable for the debt.

What can be especially crippling for separating parties who incur a company tax debt is the raft of administrative penalties and interest that the ATO seeks on top of the principal debt. If a company tax return is done, say, five years late as part of a property settlement, and tax should have been paid, then the ATO will often simply put five years worth of interest and administrative penalties on top of the bill and direct the company to pay the entire amount.

In years gone by, the ATO would write off the interest and administrative penalties if parties had the capacity to pay the principal debt straight away. The ATO is now tougher.

Readers may have seen the recent exposé on ABC’s Four Corners and the commentary in the Sydney Morning Herald in which the ATO was revealed to have been pressuring its staff into using harsh debt collection tactics against small business tax payers to raise revenue. Small business tax payers are targeted because their debts can be reasonably significant and their capacity to defend claims minimal to non-existent. This tough stance has meant that the ATO is unwilling to write off interest and administrative penalties.

If you are the director of a company, make sure you know what is going on.  If you don’t, or your spouse won’t let you, you should be concerned.

The above is not intended as legal advice. You should obtain legal advice in relation to your own specific circumstances.

Debunking Misconceptions: Family Law Asset Division

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“If we separate, I get half of their stuff.”

It never ceases to amaze us how often we hear this one. We suspect that it comes from that same friend who can tell you exactly what you need to do because they went through a separation that was exactly the same [insert eye roll emoji here].

The long and the short of it is that it is completely wrong. There is no 50/50 starting position and there isn’t even an automatic entitlement to an adjustment of property interests at all.

So, how does a court determine what division of assets is appropriate after a married or de facto couple separates?

The court will first ask whether it is just and equitable – that is, fair – to make an order that adjusts the existing legal and equitable property interests of the parties. In most cases, this threshold is easily met, particularly if there is no longer common use of jointly owned property.

But there is no guarantee. Recently, the Full Court in Chancellor & McCoy [2016] FamCAFC 256 decided that a couple who had kept their assets entirely separate should each keep what they have after a 27 year relationship. One party walked away with much greater assets than the other.

If the court does decide it is just and equitable to make orders, the court then undertakes a four-step process to determine the appropriate asset division. The process is as follows:

  1. first, all of the assets, liabilities, superannuation and financial resources of each party are identified and valued. This provides the pool of assets available for division;
  2. second, consideration is given to the contribution of each party to the assets. The court recognises financial, non-financial and contributions to the welfare of the family as homemaker and parent;
  3. third, adjustment can be made to account for additional factors that are relevant to the matter (often referred to as section 75(2) or section 90SF(3) factors). The factors that can be considered include the primary care of children, any disparity in age, health or earning capacity and whether a party has repartnered; and
  4. fourth, the court determines what orders, ultimately, should be made to achieve a just and equitable division of the assets in the circumstances of the case (which will be reflective of an overall percentage division).

The court has a wide discretion available to it when making these assessments, so there can be a range of reasonable and appropriate outcomes available in any given case.

No two cases are the same. It is important to get good advice about what your legitimate entitlements may be. But if the advice comes from someone without a practicing certificate who suggests that ‘you can get half their stuff’, you might want to look for some better advice.

The above is not intended as legal advice. You should obtain legal advice in relation to your own specific circumstances.

Debunking Misconceptions: Free Speech

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“I can say what I want, it’s a free country.”

In politically and socially divisive times, one often hears the term ‘my freedom of speech’ as a bulwark against fair or unfair condemnation of another’s view. As we see this sort of thing often and are largely in agreement that free speech is good and important, it is easy to think that one’s speech is steadfastly and universally protected by the State.

“Congress shall make no law… abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press.”

That’s great. But it’s the first amendment to the United States Constitution. We don’t really have anything similar in Australia.

There is no Commonwealth legislation that explicitly affords a general right to freedom of expression.

In the Australian Constitution, sections 7 and 24 provide for the public’s right to vote for candidates and parties in federal elections.

The High Court in Lange v Australian Broadcasting Corporation (1997) 189 CLR 520 said, in consideration of the rights imbued in sections 7 and 24, that communication concerning political matters that informs voters is protected as follows:

(a)   not by conferring personal rights on individuals; but

(b)   by preventing the government from making laws that curtails this freedom.

However, the High Court also went on to say that not even this protection is absolute and governments can make laws subverting some political communications in certain circumstances.

On the flip side, there are lots of laws that prohibit all sorts of communications.

There are laws against making or spreading documents inciting or supporting terrorism. Laws against menacing, harassing or offensive communication. Laws against providing false or misleading information. Laws against the circulation of certain State documents. Laws against certain forms of discrimination, intimidation and harassment made against someone based on race, colour, national or ethnic origin or gender.

When traversing the free speech landscape in Australia, one should do so knowing that many varying forms of speech are prohibited and there is no explicit protection of ‘free speech’ in the Constitution.

The above is not intended as legal advice. You should obtain legal advice in relation to your own specific circumstances.

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